How to Best Use Pinterest for Your Brand

When it comes to digital marketing, there are very few who know more about the ins and outs than Katrina Klier, Senior Director / VP Worldwide Digital Marketing at Microsoft.  I caught up with Katrina at a recent The CMO Club cocktail party and she was nice enough to let me pepper her with questions about Pinterest.  Her answers are refreshingly honest and informative–of particular note  are her suggestions for how Pinterest could become more brand friendly–I hope they’re listening.

Drew Neisser: How do you see tech brands like yours being able to take advantage of Pinterest?
Katrina Klier: Pinterest is a wonderful way to showcase new products in a highly visual way as well as gain endorsements via re-pins that help create product brand awareness. Overall though I would say the tech world has been slow to get in to Pinterest. Dell has done a pretty good job: http://pinterest.com/dell/ .

Drew Neisser: Has Microsoft used Pinterest effectively thus far?
Katrina Klier: LOL, no I wouldn’t say we’ve used it effectively yet so far but we’ve learned a great deal. (The Pinterest.com/Microsoft page in inactive & the Pin it to Win it contest by the Windows team didn’t seem to get much traction.) We’ve done what most big brands do, claimed a profile and have plans for much more to come, but it isn’t live yet.

Drew Neisser: Do you have any thoughts on how Pinterest could become more brand-friendly? 
Katrina Klier: Pinterest is pretty brand friendly already. Some things I’d love them to do: Create sub-boards so it’s easier to do topical boards with multiple themes; somehow connect to a purchase place – so drive ecommerce conversion potential either directly or via some type of visual search engine that can give you a list of online or offline stores to buy what you see.  Ecommerce is a partnership opportunity for Pinterest to drive with the likes of Amazon, Wal-Mart and others.  Also finding people or brands to follow is rather clunky – if you search for people you know, you can find them, but if not a general reco is not easy. Also would like to embed boards in other websites – allowing pinboards via a service provided by Pinterest (similar to how Bing or Google provide in-site search for brands)

Drew Neisser: Are you active on Pinterest yourself and if so, what do you really like about it?
Katrina Klier: Yes, I use Pinterest http://pinterest.com/katrinaklier/  I like the visual components and the link to Facebook. I started another blog a couple months ago Travel Like a Lady and Pinterest over time will be a big part of that to show products, ideas, how-to, etc. I had to put some of my writing on hold for other demands but hopefully will get back to it shortly. I haven’t connected my marketing blog much to Pinterest as the topic is not as product or visually centric. My husband is a photographer and very active on Pinterest. It helps him categorize inspirational work as well as check out stylists, other artists and companies he is or would like to do business with. His business is very visual of course so Pinterest is a good fit and he loves the Facebook integration as well.

Final note: just in case you were wondering where Pinterest could be heading, please check out my story on MediaPost and or join me for MediaPost’s Social Media Insider Summit in Lake Tahoe next week. 

 

CMO Insights: How A Cosmetics Brand Achieved Beautiful Growth in An Ugly Economy.

When Ted Rubin grabbed the reins as CMO of e.l.f. cosmetics in 2008, he knew he was going to have to be inventive.  “There’s not a lot of margin in a $1.00 cosmetic,” he noted in my interview with him last week.  “I simply didn’t have a budget for paid media,” he added.  Yet despite this limitation, in just under two years Ted was able to help the company significantly increase its sales in one of the worst recessions in history, providing a textbook case for any aspiring guerrilla marketer.

1. Listen Up

Anyone who’s ever met Ted knows he’s a great talker who prides himself in responding to any query from any person as fast as humanly possible. BUT what they might not know is that he’s also a great listener, and he made listening his first priority when he arrived at e.l.f.  What he learned in his first 90 days provided the foundation for his subsequent success.  Scouring the web, Ted found hundreds of fans across multiple channels, many of whom provided invaluable feedback — feedback that he continued to seek as ideas began to percolate.

2. Sniff Out an Insight

Up until recently, e.l.f. cosmetics were sold mainly online, direct to consumers at an unbelievably low price point. Therein lay the challenge.  Even bargain hunters asked, “How could a one dollar cosmetic be any good?”  Ted realized that this rampant skepticism could not be overcome by any company messaging, and in fact would require extensive word of mouth in which one consumer reassured another that e.l.f. is indeed a high quality product.  Fortunately, during Ted’s listening period, he had found hundreds of delightfully chatty fans dispersed all over the web.

3. Hug Your Fans

Though e.l.f. had been early to the blogosphere, in late 2008 they had almost no presence on Facebook, Twitter or YouTube.  So this is where Ted started, zealously responding to any mention of e.l.f. and engaging customers with instructional content that emphasized conversation over sales pitches.  In the process, Ted discovered hundreds of consumer-generated videos that featured e.l.f. products and consolidated these on a branded YouTube channel and created a hub for them on the distinct AskELF.com url.  During the course of 2009, e.l.f. became a social media powerhouse, accumulating in excess of 50,000 Facebook fans, over 50,000 Twitter followers (including Ted’s presence), and an astonishing 2.3 million+ views of user-generated videos!

4. Hold the Right Hands

Lots of brands pay lip service to the influential blogging/micro-blogging community by parsing out chunks of content they hope will be repurposed.  Ted took a far more personal approach, “nurturing each relationship” to the point that many became his close friends.  They also became a sounding board for ideas, one of which became the “Make Up at Home Parties,” a program that delighted the targeted bloggers so much that after 70 such parties, there is a waiting list of 250, and a galaxy of party-related content including text, pictures, Whrrls, and video that has been shared and shared again by thousands upon thousands of e.l.f. fans.

5. Tap into Metrics

As e.l.f.’s social media efforts were starting to take hold, Ted realized that “just building a large base of fans was insufficient.”  He needed to understand who was really engaged and if/how this was affecting sales.  Fortunately, the news was good.  As the fan base grew, so too did traffic to their online commerce site from social media sites, 75% of whom ended up being new visitors.  These new visitors demonstrated their commitment by buying product and signing up for the e.l.f. newsletter.  In fact, the e.l.f. database nearly doubled to 2.3 million by the end of 2009, a metric that was music to the ears of the company’s owners AND prospective marketing partners.

6. Reach for Partners

One of the ways Ted was able to stretch every precious marketing penny was by partnering with a host of brands with shared interests.  Conde Nast’s Allure Magazine provided content and gifts for the House Parties while the SheSpeaks.com network of product testers and bloggers helped find party hosts that would spread the word.  ExploreModeling.com was the perfect partner for a marketing contest called the “New Face of e.l.f” which sought out 4 models of various ages. Viral by design, contestants garnered over 800,000 votes supported by 40,000 pictures that in turn gained 35,000 comments.  With results like these, it is little wonder marketers like Virgin Mobile and Warner’s Bra along with J.C. Penney reached out to e.l.f. for more cross-promotions, most of which cost e.l.f. next to nothing.

7. Kiss and Tell

In the 4th quarter of 2009, e.l.f. was suddenly in 1700+ Target stores with a 4 foot end-cap. For a primarily online brand this was a huge retail expansion. “Target was totally enamored with our social media presence,” noted Ted, who suddenly had a “currency” he could exchange not just with other marketers but also retailers eager to share e.l.f.’s social media cache.  Marveling at how quickly the product sold once in Target, Ted noted, “A good part of what we built in social media enabled that to happen.”  With over 400 blog posts about e.l.f. entering Target, 2000 retweets of the new retail presence and customers snapping photos of product flying off the shelf, Target was so thrilled with the results it helped e.l.f. secure a permanent in-line presence in a significantly larger percentage of stores in early 2010 than originally planned.

Final Note: Early in his career, Ted worked for “America’s Greatest Marketer” Seth Godin, who by then had already co-authored The Guerrilla Marketing Handbook. Clearly Ted learned at the feet of a master, one who instilled the guerrilla credo that inventiveness and elbow grease can make up for a small budget every time.  Ted is taking that same spirit of inventiveness to OpenSky, introducing Relationship Commerce, and something he says “will change the face of e-tailing.” Ted is also a proud member of The CMO Club.

4 Ways To Get The Most Out of Your Brand Experiences

as appeared on TheCMOclub.com 5/28/08:

#1. EMBRACE MARKETING AS SERVICE
Because “marketing as service” provides a real value, magical things happen, prospects turn into customers and customers turn into brand evangelists. When HSBC wanted to bring their position “The World’s Local Bank” to life in New York City, Renegade developed the HSBC BankCab. The iconic Checker Cab, wrapped in HSBC red and white, drives the streets of New York five days a week, offering free rides to existing customers. Research has shown that customers exposed to the BankCab recommend HSBC to at least 5 of their friends and are twice as likely to stay loyal to HSBC for years to come. For more examples, see Marketing as Service.com.

#2. EXECUTE STRATEGY, NOT TACTICS
In order to cut through, effective brand experiences must be borne of relevant strategic insights. Handing out free stuff might drive booth traffic but the end result is rarely lasting. Since the goal is engagement, the marketer must truly understand their prospects. At the AST Dew Tour, Panasonic understood the target’s desire to get closer to the athletes. So, Panasonic set up a free camera loaner program that let fans zoom in and record the cool tricks that they saw during the day’s competition. At days end, they got to take home a Panasonic SD card saving all their memories that they could then enter into a photo contest at the complementary online experience–ShareTheAir.net.

#3. SEAMLESSLY INTEGRATE YOUR EVENT AND ONLINE EXPERIENCE
One essential function of an event is to start a conversation that can be continued online long after the event. Not only will this defer the high cost-per-touch of the event, but also, it will extend the brand experience leading to a long-term customer relationship. For the most impact, the event and the online experiences should be planned at the same time supporting each other (event drives to online, online drives to event) and complementing each other. Consider hiring one agency that is equally adept at creating both event and online experiences. This approach is more cost effective and assures consistency across all channels of communication.

#4. MEASURE TWICE, CUT ONCE
The goal must be to cut through the first time. To do this, metrics for success must be established upfront. Marketers need to set benchmarks via pre-event research to compare with post-event data. In addition to tracking event attendance, time with brand and perceptual changes, sell-in and sell-through, consider adding Net Promoter Score to your measurement arsenal. NPS is a simple and reliable way word of mouth. Offline line metrics should be compared and tracked to online data including unique visitors, time on site, pre/post NPS and online commerce data (if relevant.)